Choosing the right designer with Crystal Sullivan

Choosing the right designer with Crystal Sullivan

Choosing the right designer with Crystal Sullivan
Crystal Sullivan is another AMAZINGGGG brand strategist. She creates unique brands and websites for visionary female entrepreneurs.
Hello #communityovercompetition, y’all. Crystal is coming in to teach us #allthethings about choosing the right designer, like:

  • what to know before hiring them
  • what questions to ask
  • how to know they are a great fit

Crystal’s website:

*NOTE* This video was recorded LIVE inside my Facebook group, Brand Boldly for Service-Based Entrepreneurs as a #SpotlightSunday feature. Join the group to participate LIVE and get YOUR biz featured to the group for free.

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Hey, I’m Brooke!

I’m a Creator archetype, INTJ, and music snob. I will fight you if you try to convince me that a MacBook is an instrument. It’s not.

But as far as this whole business thang goes… I’m basically a weird mix of creative-big-picture-thinker and analytical strategery all rolled into one.

I can help you use your unique personality to stand out BOLDLY online and attract your ideal clients like a freakin’ magnet – just by being YOU.

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Branding is the ONLY thing that matters #sorrynotsorry

Branding is the ONLY thing that matters #sorrynotsorry

Branding is the ONLY thing that matters #sorrynotsorry

I was talking to a friend the other day and she was like “I’m loving your videos on your Facebook group! You cover so much more than just branding stuff!”


And this really got me thinking…

Because yes, I talk about sales.

I talk about marketing strategies.

I talk about client relationships.

I talk about a whole bunch of shit all the time.

But really, I am talking about branding.

Because they cannot be separated. They are one in the same.

Your sales process IS part of your brand.

How you handle marketing IS part of your brand.

Everything that comes outta my mouth IS about branding because branding is EVERYTHING.

Your “business” is the thing you do for your clients. The service. The actual work.
Your “brand” is else.
It’s literally EVERYTHING that makes your business work, y’all.

Here’s the difference… 

Sales with no brand
You reach out to cold leads because no one knows who you are.
You spend the entire call telling the potential client what you do, why you do it, and why they need it.
Then you’re still forced to answer “why should I pick you?” at the end.

Sales WITH a brand
Potential clients reach out to YOU.
They already know you. They already like you. They already TRUST you.
They have already seen how much value you have to offer so you get to LISTEN to their needs and actually be of SERVICE to them on the call.
They’re already in love with you, so why wouldn’t they say yes?!

Here’s another one…

Social media with no brand
You post in alllll the Facebook groups and get maaaaybe 2 likes and no comments.
You’re constantly worried that you’re going to say the wrong thing and piss someone off.
Your posts say the exact same shit as every other post from every other person in your industry. #sorrynotsorry

Social media WITH a brand
You know exactly where to post to get engagement because you know who to talk to and what to say to them.
It doesn’t matter if you offend anyone because you can’t say the wrong thing to the right person.
You never run out of important and epic shit to say because you’re just speaking from the heart.
You don’t worry about what you “should” be talking about, you say what you believe, think, and feel because your brand is YOU.

I could go on and on coming up with examples for every single business “thing” you do in your business. But I think you get it.


Because whether I’m talking about sales

or lead magnets

or niches

or graphic design

or social media

or systems

or automation

I’m really talking about branding. Because branding is what makes all of those “things” work for you.

THIS is why you can watch all the webinars, buy all of the courses, read all the freebies, and still not get where you want to be.


Cuz here’s the real deal.

If you’re doing all of those other things, then you ARE building your brand.

You’re doing it anyway.

So why not do it intentionally?

Do it on purpose.

Create the brand you actually want to create so that it works FOR you and you get to just be you and do your thang.

If you’re ready for that, let’s book a chat and see if I’m the right person to help you.
Schedule your call here:

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Hey, I’m Brooke!

I’m a Creator archetype, INTJ, and music snob. I will fight you if you try to convince me that a MacBook is an instrument. It’s not.

But as far as this whole business thang goes… I’m basically a weird mix of creative-big-picture-thinker and analytical strategery all rolled into one.

I can help you use your unique personality to stand out BOLDLY online and attract your ideal clients like a freakin’ magnet – just by being YOU.

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How to design your website and actually make MONEY from it

How to design your website and actually make MONEY from it

How to design your website and actually make MONEY from it

We’ll be chatting all things website!

↠ What are the most important pages to have? ↠ What things are a waste of time? ↠ What information goes on each of your pages? ↠ How to turn visitors into clients? ↠ What are “opt-ins” and how do you use them? ↠ Should you be using pop-ups? ↠ Do you need to sell something to have a website? ↠ Do you need a blog?

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Hey everyone, I am here for #ThirstyThursday and I’m a minute late. I apologize. I freaking hate being late. But there was drama with the window and then it was too dark and then it was too bright. I think we’re all good now. I’m just going to chat for a second and wait for everybody to come on. This is #ThirstyThursday. We’re going to be talking about websites today. I got my wine. If you’ve been around since the beginning, this is the exact same wine from the very first #ThirstyThursday call that I did. I think it was Fear and Franzia or something. So yeah, it’s the same one because I don’t really like it. It’s not very good. I thought maybe if I put some strawberries in there that it would taste better. I don’t really think it did. It’s not great, but I’m going to drink it anyway because I don’t want to waste it.


That’s where we are. That’s where I am. Lighting fiasco, gross wine. My dogs are also in here. That’s another thing I’m trying to figure out. If I lock them out, they whine or they escape and if they’re in, they hit my desk when they get excited. If my desk starts moving, that’s why, it’s my dog. She’s here, she loves to be here. So, yeah. I am ready to get started. I see Tanya is here, if you have just joined or if you join late, if you join late then you won’t know what I’m saying because you will have missed this part, but always say hi, for those watching the replay. When you come on and say hi I know you’re here and let me know. Tanya, yes, puppy. We love puppies. I think Tanya, I think you’ve seen them before in the background. She’s hiding under the desk today, but puppies!


Okay, websites. And just you know, I’m just telling everybody everything today. I have talked about websites a lot before, in other people’s groups, and in other people’s Facebook groups or Instagrams or whatever. I’ve talked about this one a lot already, so if you’ve already heard this on another platform, sorry, ask your questions anyway. I think I have a lot of new people in here though and I’m really excited. Hopefully this will be super helpful to you. How it works is I’m just going to go through my list of questions that I have already there and then if at anytime you have questions along the way, just type them in the box. I tend to get really, really distracted if I stop and read questions. So if I don’t answer it immediately, I’m not ignoring you. I’m going to go back and look through them and answer any questions that you have so put them in the box. And same goes for the replay. If you have questions during the replay, just put them in and I will answer them.


So, websites. First up – what are the most important pages to have on your website? That is the number one question that I get asked honestly about websites – other than how to make it look pretty. That’s probably the number one actually. The most important pages to have on your website, we’ll just start at the top: home page. Duh. I think everybody knows that one. A home page is really important. And actually before I dig into these questions, I just want to give a couple overarching tips about websites in general. I talked a little bit about this in last week’s design call, but I’m going to go into it again a little bit deeper.


The purpose of your website has changed in the last, I dunno, 10 years for small businesses or any business in general. When the Internet first came about, most websites were basically just an online brochure – just list out all your services and have your phone number on there and now that doesn’t do you any favors at all. And you might as well, honestly, if that’s all you’re going to do, you might as well not even make one because it’s not going to help you at all. The purpose of your website is one: to let people get to know you faster. You know me, I’m all about putting your personality into everything. Your website is a place where they can come and it’s kinda home base where they can really get to know you and decide if they you and want to work with you hopefully.


That means that each page that you have on your website needs to have a specific purpose. What do you want them to actually get out of the page? Or if you want them to do something, you need to have some kind of call to action on a page. Keep that in mind when you’re designing. Don’t just throw up a bunch of pages because you think you need to have a bunch of content there. With your website, you want to go for quality over quantity. So keep it really simple design wise but also make sure you have a purpose and you think about the layout of your site and – I want to say roadmap – but imagine you are a potential client and the journey that they would take once they land on your website and where do you want them to go? Do you want them to go to a work with me page they can sign up for a call? Or do you want them to buy a course? Or whatever it is you want them to do. Think about all of that stuff before you ever start actually building your website. That being said, take a sip of my wine.


Let’s go back to the question. What are the most important pages to have on your website then? Home page, obviously. That is – other than your about page – your home page is one of the most viewed pages on your website, obviously. What I to do is keep everything, especially your homepage though, keep it very simple and in 2018 people are very impatient and very lazy. You wanna make it as simple as possible to get them where you want to go. The best way to do that on your homepage is to keep it simple and not overwhelm them with options. You already have your navigation bar at the top of your page usually, so you want to keep the content very focused. If you look at my home page, there’s copy, I forget what it says exactly, something at the top and then there’s something about damn good brands where it gives like, definition type stuff, and then you go down a little bit further and it’s like: find out how to do it. And it goes – I think he goes to a work with me page. I’ve recently been changing it. But there’s only one button on there. There’s only one thing for them to do.


That’s really important is to keep that home page really, really simple and get them where you want them to go. If you don’t have – like if you’re just starting out and maybe you don’t have anything that you really want them to do yet, that’s okay. You can direct it to a blog or you can direct it to an email newsletter, like to get them to sign up for your email list. Which I think that’s what I’m going to talk about next week on the #ThirstyThursday call is email marketing. But if you don’t have one already, start one. Because you can get MailChimp for free and there’s absolutely no reason to not start one. But anyway, keep it simple and focus on one thing.


So home page is the first page that’s really important to have. I always forget to pause and take a drink when I’m talking so then I’m dying of thirst.


Okay. The next page I touched on a second ago is your about page. I think – and I totally could be wrong, I could be saying this wrong – but last time I checked your about page was statistically that the highest viewed page on your website. People will always go to your about page to kind of figure out who you are. It makes sense, right? So do not look at mine as an example for this because my about page sucks really bad right now. [UPDATE: Now it’s amaze-balls]. And that is number one on my to do list to get that fixed. That was one of the very first pages I ever made when I started doing this business in like November, 2016. That was the one in the very first things I did and I haven’t touched it since, so don’t look at it. But it is one of the most important pages to have.


The point of an about page is to be about your client. And I know that sounds counterintuitive. It is about you, but it’s not really about you. It’s really about them. People, yes, they want to know about you and they want to learn about you, but really they want to find out what you can do for them and how you can help them. That’s really the goal. When you’re thinking about an about page, yes, you want to have your personality obviously. And yes, you want to have your story on there and I’ll talk about that a little bit more later, too. But really, you want to focus the language and the copy on what can you do for them.


Megan – is in this group, Megan Naasz. Her website, I really liked where we landed with her about page because it talks about her and it shows her personality but it says, yes, I’m all these things, I’m a CPA, I do this, I do this, I do this. But it talks about it in a way where it shows the benefit to her clients. I can do this and here’s why it helps you. That’s really what you want to focus on when you’re building those about pages. Because for real, those are the like the hardest pages to build. It’s so hard to talk about yourself. Even for me. It’s a toughy. So that’s what you want to keep in mind, though, is yes it’s about you but make it about them. And don’t – and this is just a side note – this is more of a copy tip, but don’t go statistic heavy. I have all these awards and I’m in these organizations and 15 degrees and honestly nobody cares about that. At least in entrepreneurial world. If your ideal client is, you know, a huge corporation, then maybe they might care about that actually. But for most of us that are in this group, they want to get to know you. They want to know the real you. You know? The auth – I hate the word authentic because I feel it’s so overused – my mentor says genuine instead of authentic. But not the cookie cutter crap that you see on everybody else’s website basically is what I’m trying to say. They don’t want to see a list of your qualifications because that’s not what your website is. That’s a resume. And if you’re applying for a job, that’s fine, but it’s not for an about page. So don’t do that.


And then the other thing I see a lot on about pages is telling. Whoa, sorry. Okay. Side Note. I went to a concert last night and in Oklahoma City and I did not feel washing my hair when I got home so I just dry shampooed the crap out of it before I got on this call. It’s a hot mess. Ignore that, sorry, I don’t usually play with my hair on camera. I apologize. But it’s pretty gross. Ignore that. Dry shampoo is the best thing ever, by the way. Where was I? About pages.


One of the other things that I see people do all the time is – you want to tell your story, your personal story, your why. I’ve talked a lot about that in this group far. So if you don’t know what I’m talking about, go check the archives for the other videos. But you do want to tell your story and you want to make it, you know, your why, why you’re doing this and how your experiences with whatever it is that you do help you serve your clients better. That’s really important. That’s a huge, huge part of what I help clients do. But what I see sometimes happen is you get – people can get either way too detailed and nobody reads it because it’s 10 miles long and we don’t need to know your entire life story – or putting things in there that aren’t necessarily helpful in establishing yourself as the expert that you are. Talking about challenges that you faced and obstacles in your life – that’s awesome. That’s totally cool. Just make sure that it ties back to your overall message and speaks to how you can help your clients and how it’s relevant.


So, and what I mean by that is sometimes stuff is just on there like, and it sounds really whiny. And I hate to say that because that’s somebody, you know, that’s somebody life story. So I hate to say that. But if it’s not relevant, it comes across as whiny. Basically, only put things on there that are relevant to how you got to where you are and how it is actually part of your journey to where you landed. And if it’s a story about overcoming an obstacle, make it about that. Make it about how, yeah, all the shitty stuff happened to me in my life and this is how I overcame it. And this is how I came out on the other side. And that’s what makes me qualified to help you do the same thing if that’s what it is. Just be really careful of whining with your story. Not everybody does it obviously. But that is something that I’ve seen a lot lately. Especially because story is like, the new cool word that everybody’s talking about online. Like – put your story in! And it is really important, but you can also eff it up pretty bad and hurt yourself more than you’re helping yourself.


So, that’s about page. We’ve talked about home page and about page so far. If you have any questions about those, put them in. I’m going to read the comments real quick. I didn’t get distracted. I’m proud of myself. Tanya, I love your gifs. What’s that one’s name? Wait, don’t tell me. That one is Dean, right? Because the other one is Dean in Gilmore Girls and it always confuses me because he’s usually Dean, so that one must be Dean. Tell me if I’m right. Anyway, I love your gifs.


And then – an email list is a good topic, too. Yes. I think that’s what I’m going to talk about next week. Everybody needs an email list and I’ll just say that right now. If you don’t have one, start one for free on MailChimp. It’s not hard to set up. There are gajillions of tutorials everywhere. Set it up. Because in reality, especially in online marketing, that is the only thing that you actually own – is your email list. I have this super cool Facebook group here. You know, Facebook could shut down tomorrow and I’ll lose access to all of your pretty faces and doing these videos. And same thing with Instagram. Same thing with Pinterest – all of that stuff. They’re awesome strategies. They’re so, so useful in building your business, especially an online business. But you don’t own them. So you need to have an email list because that’s the only thing that no one can take away from you. So do that. Cool.


Yes, Dean. The other one is Sam. Okay. Right, good. I got it right. Oh, I meant to tell you Tanya, sorry. Sorry for everyone else watching, I’m having a private conversation with Tanya here. I saw an episode of that show. I don’t usually watch it, but I happened to see one on TV and they were inside Scooby Doo. They were in a Scooby Doo cartoon. Is that normal? Do they do that stuff a lot? Because it was really cool. They were in Scooby Doo world and people were getting killed though. That wasn’t good. But anyway. Okay, we’ll have our Supernatural conversation later.


We got home page, about page. The next one that’s important is a little bit flexible. Basically your work with me page. A lot of times it’s called a services page. That feels really impersonal to me. But if it’s listed as services, that’s what I’m talking about. Work with me / services / if sell courses or something that – your course page. Basically these are essentially sales pages and you need to have at least one if you’re selling something. If you’re not selling anything, then you don’t need this one. If you don’t want to make any money off your website, then you don’t need this one. That seems a silly business strategy to me. But that could be you. A sales page though is was really important. The part to focus on what that is, again, making it personal for them. What it really comes down to on those pages is understanding your ideal client. And I know I’ve said that many times, but you really want to speak to what you do in a way that it benefits them.


For me – I help you with brand strategy. Well if I just write, if I just have on my website services: brand strategy, that sounds freaking boring and everybody else on the Internet probably says that, too. Everyone else in my industry does brand strategy. That really tells you nothing. And it’s super freaking boring. Instead talk about, I am a brand strategist. I work with service based entrepreneurs to help them use their personality to attract their ideal clients a freaking magnet. See how much more powerful that is? It says exactly who you’re talking to, so if you are not a service based entrepreneur, you know you’re in the wrong place. And if you’re not interested in using your personality, you’re in the wrong place. And surprisingly, a lot of people aren’t. Which I’m shocked. But anyway, be very, very, very specific on any kind of sales page or a services page.


And that’s why I don’t just service pages in general because they’re so boring and impersonal. And if it’s just a bulleted list of every single thing you can do, that doesn’t really, that doesn’t tell me anything as a potential client. And I want to know if you do social media management, I want to know, how is that going to help me achieve my goals? And bonus points if you understand your ideal client well enough to say what those goals are. In reality you should know your ideal client better than they know themselves and you should be able to anticipate what their goals are and what their needs are. The more specific that you can get, the better. And then on that same sales page, you want to have a call to action of some kind. Whether that’s sign up for a call or fill out the form to apply or whatever it is, get them to do something.


I think everybody pretty much has that already on their sales pages. But if not, you need that call to action. And I know that Heather, Heather Hartman Johnson. Sorry, I’m like – it’s been, it’s been a weird day, guys. Heather Hartman Johnson just did, I think it was in her Facebook group or her business page. She just did a training on using a call to action on your stuff so check that out. I think it was in her group. When we get done, I’ll put the link to her group in here. If you’re not in there, she’s awesome. But having a strong call to action and making it very, very simple, too. You don’t want some huge long complicated process of getting on the phone with you or getting in touch with you because nobody wants to do that. Don’t make it hard to contact you. There is also the other side of that where you don’t want to be too available either. It makes it look you’re not really an expert. But by in large, you want it to be easy for them, for them to contact you. So that’s the sales page.


The last page that you – actually, I’m going to stick with those three. Those are the only ones that I feel you absolutely need on your website if you are a business that is selling things for money. Those are the only three that you need. Most people say that you need to contact page, also. And it definitely doesn’t hurt. But I don’t think it’s totally necessary as long as you have a really strong work with me page and you’re trying to get them to do something there. I deleted my contact page off my website because all that was on it was, because I’m an online business so it’s not like I need a map to where I am or anything that. All it was was just another link to book a call with me and that’s already on the other page. And if I’m going to have clients booking or potential clients booking calls, I want to know that they’ve already looked at my services page and they already know what it is that I do before I get on the phone with them, anyway. It’s kind of like another prescreening step. Just make sure, okay, if they’re booking a call, they had to have done it from this page right here so I know there’s not going to be any huge shock when we get on there and I tell them what I do or how much it costs or anything that.


A contact page. If you are a brick and mortar business and you have a location, it is more important then. You know, where can you find us? What’s our mailing address? But again, it comes down to who your ideal clients are and building your website for your audience is what’s really important. For most of us in this group, it’s not super necessary.


You need better wine, ma’am. Yes, I do need better wine Tanya. I’m not usually a wine drinker. That’s why it’s lasted long. Because I’m not a huge wine fan. The strawberries I think are helping though. I put the frozen strawberries in there. It looks kinda gross, but I think they’re helping.


Okay, so what other page you need? Oh, blogs are really helpful but they’re not necessary. I don’t dedicate any time separately to blog. Just because that’s not really part of my business strategy. But it is good to have content there. So what I do is I recycle the content. Whenever I type out an email newsletter to my email list, I basically just copy and paste it and put it as a blog post. Because it saves time and I don’t send out anything in my email newsletters that isn’t valuable information anyway. I don’t send a lot of sales emails. Obviously I don’t put those as blog posts, but I don’t hardly send a lot of those anyways. Maybe one every 10, if that. Honestly, I don’t think I’ve even sent that money. But any kind of valuable content – if you write a hella good social media post for a Facebook group and it’s super awesome – copy and paste and put it as a blog post. It doesn’t have to be difficult to have a blog, but it does help you establish that credibility. Even if no one reads it, it still looks good when you click on someone’s blog to just have stuff there. It makes it look like, oh yeah, they really do this. They really have something to say. They’re talking about it. Even if they don’t read a single post, it’s still good to have.


But if you do have a blog or if, sometimes blogging is your main lead generation tool and it’s a really good one. It’s a really good thing to do if that’s your strategy, especially for Pinterest. Most of the traffic to my website comes from Pinterest. Anytime, and this is something I’ve learned from other Pinterest strategists, I’m by no means an expert, but they’ve said that anytime you have a blog post, you should make three separate pins for your blog post and then link them back to your website. Or whoa. I just said that really confusing – three separate pins per blog post and then post them on different boards. Different boards of yours and try to join group boards. And that’s a whole, Pinterest is a whole separate world and I didn’t really mean to get into right now. But, it’s really helpful to have a blog if you want to compete on Pinterest and you want to use that as a source of traffic because it has such a good way to get a lot of traffic to your website for cheap. You have to have somewhere to send them to. You don’t really make pins for your homepage because; think about when you’re scrolling through Pinterest, if you land on someone’s home page then they’re like, what the heck is this? You need to have some kind of content there if you’re going to do it. If you’re going to do it, do it right. Basically that’s the theme with everything that I do. If you’re going to do it, do it right. Don’t half ass any of it because you might as well just not do it.


Those are the main website pages. And going back to what I just said a second ago, that’s really the point of this whole website thing is to know what to do and what’s a waste of time that you can plan it accordingly. Because if you’re going to put up crap website, it’s not worth your time. If you are a person and you’re at the level where you’re just starting and you don’t want to waste time doing it yourself or you’re not in a position to hire somebody yet, don’t try to slap a bunch of stuff together that looks bad. What you should do instead is get some very simple tool. I like Leadpages. Lots of people use ClickFunnels. That’s more expensive. I’m not a huge fan, but it’s good at what it’s used for. But even just a very simple lead page, just somewhere to send to send your clients when you’re, you know, put it in your Facebook profile so if you’re commenting on people’s stuff in Facebook groups and they go back to your profile, there’s somewhere for them to go. There’s something for them to do to learn more.


Even if it’s just a very simple landing page that just has your logo or your face or your name, this is me, this is what I do. I’m in the process of building a website. In the meantime, sign up for my email list here, or sign up for this free thing here. Whatever it is. It doesn’t have to be fancy and it doesn’t have to be complicated, but it does have to be not crappy. Hopefully that makes sense.


Tanya, if it’s going to be on your blog, where’s the benefit to staying in the email group? I’m just curious. Yeah, so, that’s a good question. Tanya’s question is what’s the point or what’s the benefit of being on my email list if all the contents already on my blog and that’s really good question. And the reason that I do it that way is just statistically the people that are already on my email list don’t really go read my blog that much. The blog is the landing place where they first come and they first get to know me. And in a small service based business like mine, and most of you guys’ that, I’m guessing, we’re not hardcore bloggers. It’s not like you subscribe to my blog and you follow it and you read every single thing that I post. Whereas if you are a blogger, that’s what people do. Most of – I’d say 90% of the people on my email list don’t really go back and read my blog, after the fact. You’re getting it over here and then the blog is just there for when I’m getting traffic from Pinterest, there’s more stuff there. And then the goal is to get them over onto that email list. So if there are those 10% of people who just decide they want to stalk me and they’re already on my email list and then they go read the blog posts, they might be like, what the heck, I’ve already read this. There’s a downside there. But at the same time, what I would say if they ask me about it is recycling content is the only way to keep yourself sane. And I mean in reality, at least at at the level where I am right now without having, you know, 20 team members to generate new content for me, there’s only much that you can do and it’s about using those systems wisely and using your time wisely. For me, that’s why I do it. And I said, there’s really not a lot of overlap. Once I have them on my email list, they don’t really have a reason to go back to my blog, you know? I’ll direct them back to my website if I have an offer or something that I want them to sign up for but they don’t really go back to my blog usually. Hopefully that answers that.


MailChimp has landing pages now. That’s cool. That’s so good!


There are two audiences to start with. That makes sense. Yeah. hopefully, yeah, hopefully that makes sense. Anybody watching the replay or you know, joining later, let me know if that doesn’t make sense to you.


Okay. Y’all, I just spent 30 minutes on the first question. So, let’s speed through this. The next one on the list is – which things are a waste of time? The stuff that I think is a waste of time is blog posts just for the sake of blog posts. This comes in if you hire an agency, usually. You hear about this if you hire an agency for SEO. I’m not going to go too deep into SEO right now because I’m not an expert at all. But basically how it works is the more times certain words appear on your website, the higher you are in Google rankings. So what big agencies will typically do is write a bunch of fluff content that’s crammed with keywords just to make you appear higher in Google search ratings. And I think that’s a waste of time.


If you’re trying to build an authentic, again, that word that’s overused, I apologize. But if you’re trying to build that authentic, genuine connection with your audience, they’re going to recognize that crap right away. They’re going to recognize that when they land on your website and they’re like, wow, this is just not valuable information at all. It’s clearly just a bunch of words that don’t really mean anything. So I’ll go back to what I said a second ago. If you’re going to do it, do it right and focus on getting traffic to your audience in other ways and not based just on that. I think that’s a waste of time.


What else is a waste of time on your website? I would just say like, trying to make it super fancy. Trying to, you know, like fancy widgets and animated stuff and sometimes it’s cool, sometimes it’s overdone and it looks a 1992 PowerPoint presentation with crap everywhere and it’s distracting. Keep it very simple and that’s really effective. I know what I hear a lot, especially with design is, if you have your brand built, I hear people say all the time like, I’m sick of it. I’m bored. It’s not about you, it’s about your ideal audience. And just because you’re sick of it doesn’t mean that they’re sick of it. Seeing everything cohesive and simple and the same strengthens that brand message. Keep everything very simple. Even if you really have the urge to just throw in hot pink once in a while or a random colors or something really bright and sparkly and shiny, really think about your ideal audience first.


Maybe it’s okay. Most of the time it’s probably not a good idea though. Just throw that out there. You’re right. Keep your ideal audience in mind when you’re doing stuff that. Those are my waste of time tips. Don’t focus on that. Focus on the real, valuable things you can add that are going to help your audience and make them think, wow, this is helpful. How did I ever live without this? Cool? Okay.


What information goes on each of your pages? I think I already covered that in that first one. Let me think through them again and make sure.


Your home page, you just want that very simple, just one call to action to do something. The other thing I haven’t really talked about is links to other things. Like your social media pages. That’s good to have on a header at the very top. That’s the best place for it. You can put it in the footer, too. That’s awesome. But they say above the fold. That’s an old newspaper terminology. Like when you fold the newspaper, you know, the very top. Make it very easy to find your social media graphics, other places to follow you. Because lots of people do that, obviously. If it’s hard to find, you’re going to lose them, you’re going to lose them. People are lazy. Make those really easy to find. Make it easy.


Again, I said this earlier to make it really easy to contact you. I took away that contact page, I said, but I still have a button at the bottom that says – it’s like a chat thing if I’m online. If I’m not online, then it emails me. Which people don’t take – I feel people don’t abuse those as much as they do forms on contact pages. I’ve left that, but just make it very easy to figure out what to do next and where to go.


How to turn visitors into clients. Okay, good. I feel much better about this list now because I was like, oh my gosh, it’s been 30 minutes. And the first question, we’re okay because I’ve already answered a lot of these. How to turn visitors into clients?


The easiest thing to do is get them on your email list. Get an email list. And that’s where you really build that relationship and that’s where you make those connections and let them really get to know you. If you have some kind of really low end, I say, low end, not in quality, in price, a cheaper offer, an introductory, you know, something that’s not expensive, then, I mean, sell it on your website all day long. But for bigger purchases, like high ticket items, you’re really to have to spend a little time nurturing them a little bit and building that relationship.


So to turn random website visitors into paying clients, get them on an email list and write a nurture sequence. I’m going to talk about that. I’ve decided right this second. That’s going to be my topic for next week is email marketing. What I mean by that – and I think, probably, most of the people in this group are on my email list. I know some of you aren’t, I’m sure, but most of you are. You’ll be able to go back and see what I’m talking about. You sign up for my thing. Most people, it’s the quiz. You sign up for the quiz, you get the email and it’s like, here’s your pdf, read all this cool stuff. And then after that, you get, it’s called a nurture sequence. There’s a series of five or six emails, I think, that go out and it’s really just about pure value building that relationship, establishing trust, making sure that you know that I know what I’m talking about and I’m not just some random crazy on the internet. That is the best, fastest way to turn random website visitors into potential clients.


And it’s especially important depending on where your leads are coming from. Like if you’re running Facebook ads to get leads or if you’re just posting in random Facebook groups and organically growing your list, it’s going to be be important still to nurture those people. But for me, especially. Most of my leads do come from Pinterest. It’s about understanding your ideal client. Again, keep saying it over and over, but understanding where they are in their journey and where they came from. If I pull lead off of a Facebook group, usually if you’re in a Facebook group, you are actively trying to grow your business, build your business, you’re in the mindset of I’m doing this for my business. Whereas if you’re on Pinterest, you’re in much more of a dreaming, you know, mindset like, oh, someday I’m going to do this. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, but most people on Pinterest, it’s like, I’m gonna, you know, you have all your boards like, oh my fancy house stuff and all these healthy recipes that I’m going to make some day. You know, you have this board for your business, of someday I’m going to focus on this.


It’s my job then, when I get these leads from Pinterest, it’s my job then to try to get their mindset into, this is a now this. This is an important thing. This is something I should be focusing on. That’s really the purpose of that nurture sequence is to get your audience in the place where they’re ready to take action. That’s the goal, right? It’s much more important to do that when they’re coming from Pinterest and they’re not already in that mindset. Whereas if they’re coming from Facebook, there are a little bit more in that mindset already. And if they’re just being referred by someone to your website, they’re even more ready. Somebody’s given them a personal recommendation and they’re even more ready to do it, you know? It’s just about understanding where they are in that journey and adjusting accordingly. If you want to get super fancy with it, you can have different nurture sequences for different audiences. And that’s way more advanced stuff. It’s totally not necessary. I only have one nurture sequence, but understanding where they are in that journey is going to be really important to converting them from just a visitor into a potential client. Cool? Hopefully that made sense and I didn’t get too far off track.


The where they come from connection is brilliant. Yay! I love being called brilliant. I’ll take that. Thank you. I’m all value all the time. That’s definitely my goal. Sometimes I feel like, this is so boring when I’m trying to come up with new content but you have to go back to your ideal client. And where are they and stuff? And I hear this a lot from from clients that I’m working with and potential clients that I’m talking to. They’re like, I have nothing to say or I feel like this is boring and no one will care. But you – things that are common sense to you and easy for you are not usually easy for your audience. And that’s something that I’ve had to learn. Something that I’m like, okay, how many times can I talk about logos? But really that’s what everyone wants to hear about. That’s what everyone is really interested in learning about is design and stuff that I feel sometimes it is common knowledge. You kind of have to take a step back and figure out how to teach that to someone else. And that’s where you get the really good, really valuable content. It’ll make you better. Having that mindset, if you can figure it out, will actually make you better at it because if you’re in the place where you know it back and forth like that, that it doesn’t seem complicated at all, that means you have all the knowledge in the world to teach. You just have to figure out the right way to present it. That’s my goal with my content. Hopefully it comes out, hopefully. That was how to turn visitors into clients.


What are opt-ins and how should you use them? I like this question. Opt-ins are bribes. Basically, that’s what they are. I’ve talked a lot already about building your email list and how important that is. You need to basically bribe people these days to get them to do it. You might have some luck. I’ve had random, you know, one or two people every few months sign up. I used to have a thing in my sidebar on my website. It just said “sign up for my newsletter” and that was it. Like I said, one or two every few months. It’s not an effective strategy. You have to bribe people. So, an opt-in, or a lead magnet, or a freebie, or something to incentivize people to sign up for your email list. That’s really what it is.


The difference in a good one and a bad one is obviously the quality of the content. If you’re going to do it, do it right. Don’t half ass it. Don’t just make, you know, 10 steps to do whatever if it’s pure bullshit that everybody else on the Internet says already. Don’t do that. Because what’s going to happen is somebody is going to be all excited and opt in and it’s going to be the same old crap they hear everywhere else. And then be like, oh, this person does not know what they’re talking about. This is so boring. And it’s going to take away credibility from you. If you want to have an opt-in, if you want to do that, do it right. Put real, actual value into your stuff. That’s the number one goal with everything. Real, valuable stuff.


That’s how you use them. What our opt-ins and how do you use them? Opt-ins are bribes. You use them to build your email list by providing real, actual value. And of course, your personality, too. Anybody that has taken my quiz knows that it’s full of my personality. You have a pretty good idea of who I am by the time you get done with the quiz and you get done with the email sequence. You have a pretty good idea of my style and the stuff that I teach and the way that I teach it. And you can make a good decision on whether or not I’m the type of person you want to learn from or not.


My dog is having a dream and she’s doing the little barky, growl thing, you know, like she’s chasing something. How fun. Okay. Sorry.


I have my wine over here and I have this little, it’s the snowball speaker and I keep picking it up to take a drink. If you can’t hear me, it’s because I keep grabbing the microphone. I’m going to move my wine over here instead because I’m a dork. Okay. What’s next?


Actually, let me read comments real quick. I don’t have any new comments. Okay. Back to it then.


Should we be using pop-ups? I get that question a lot, too. It’s totally up to you. I don’t have any pop-ups right now, but that doesn’t mean that I won’t ever have them in the future. The thing to consider with pop-ups is how annoying they are and how relevant the information is. My stance is it has to be something really important that I absolutely need to know right now. If you’re going to pop it up in my face that. Like, I can’t live without this information so I need to see it right now. If it’s not that important, don’t put it in a pop-up.


Like, for my quiz I could have easily made a pop-up – have you taken my archetype quiz yet? That’s very common. That’s a very common thing to do and like I said, it’s not necessarily a bad thing. This is just my opinion on it. I don’t stuff popping up in my face. I feel it’s more effective to lead them there organically. If they land on my site on my home page, it’s very clear how to get to that quiz. In my top sidebar, it’s big, it’s bold says become a client magnet or something that and that goes to the quiz. Get them there organically instead of trying to force it upon them.


Now there are better ways to do that, too. You can have it slide in from the side; that’s less intrusive. I like those better. Still the same thing applies just for me. It needs to be something important and not just sign up for my newsletter. That’s annoying. At least to me it’s annoying. But if you can make them less intrusive, that’s better. And then, what was the next thing I was going to say? Oh. Make sure to time them appropriately. It annoys the crap out of me when I land on your website and 0.4 seconds later I have a pop-up in my face. Give your audience time to read your page, you know? And get so far on your page and kind of figure out who you are and then they’re much more likely to do whatever you’re trying to get them to do in your pop-up anyway.


If I were to do a pop-up, for instance, you know, you click on a pin from Pinterest and go to my blog post about archetypes. If I have it pop-up half a second later and it’s like, here take the quiz!!!, and you’re like, I don’t know anything about the quiz yet. Why would I take the quiz? You’re annoying. I’m leaving. At least that’s what I do on websites. I don’t know about you guys. But if I can wait and time it for like, 30 seconds. Get them to read part of the article – and that’s where just good copywriting comes in and putting the value into those blog posts and everything that you do – hopefully, by that time, they will have read far enough down and they kind of get an idea of what talking about and then have it pop-up to do something. They won’t hate you as much, and they’re much more likely to actually do what you want them to do if you think about it that way.


What I would personally do with a pop-up is – I’ve talked about recently how I’m currently working on a five day challenge, a branding challenge. That is something that’s time sensitive. That’s when I would make a pop-up. The same rules would still apply. Don’t make it super intrusive and give people time to figure out what you’re doing. I would even maybe wait a little bit longer to have it pop up. Like, if they land on my archetype page and they’re all into that, give them time, and set it only on certain pages maybe. I would set a pop-up for my five day challenge on the result page of the quiz. I’d give them time to get through the quiz, make sure they really want to be on my website in the first place because I want to make sure they actually want to be there. Put the pop-up on the result page 30 seconds in. They’ve already kind of figured out who I am, they know they liked the quiz, they know this is valuable information. Then they’re much more likely to sign up for my challenge after they’ve gotten to know me a little bit. And because it’s something that is time sensitive, they’re like, Ooh, I can do this. It’s happening, you know, starting in three days. That’s something that is relevant information that you need to know now. That that’s how I personally would use them.


Pop-ups can be very effective, but they can also piss people off and making them leave your website really quick if you do them wrong. It’s just something to think about consciously and be very aware of when you’re doing it.


Hey Tammy! That’s so weird. I can’t do that. Tammy is my mommy. She’s in my group and I’m so excited. She’s an entrepreneur, too. She’s not just here for no reason at all. But when she comments, I’m always like, Tammy says this. I’m just going to start saying my mom says this, if that’s that everyone. Hi mom! She’s very supportive, too. But like I said, she is also an entrepreneur and she has value to add and a reason to be here besides being supportive. Okay. What next?


Do you need to sell something to have a website? I think I talked about that already at the beginning a little bit. But if you’re a small business, obviously you’re already selling something. If you’re just starting out and you don’t necessarily have anything for sale yet, you can absolutely still set up your website. If you’re investing in stuff like that up front, cool. Do it that way. But you don’t have to have something for sale to build a website. Especially – you see this a lot with bloggers – if your business strategy is blogging, if you are a blogger and you’re going to make money from ads on your website or affiliate marketing or all that stuff that bloggers do, then absolutely you have a website first, you have your blog, you start doing all that stuff because you’re never going to get paid until you have an audience, anyway.


That’s where that stuff comes in. If you’re not a blogger, if you are just a new business owner and you just don’t have anything for sale yet. Still yes. You can still build a website. Just focus, remember, focus on the right things. Focus on keeping it simple and having a clear end goal for whatever you want them to do when they land on your website. Hopefully an email list. Because like I was talking about earlier with the nurture sequence, even if you don’t have anything for sale yet, start building your email list right now because once you do have something for sale, if you’ve already put in that work and you’ve already established yourself as “I know what the eff I’m talking about, I’m a good person to listen to,” you’re much more likely to have people buy from you if you already have that relationship established.


Absolutely start it now. Start everything right now if you can. And go back to the – for the people that join the late – if you don’t have time or money to invest in building an entire website right now, that’s okay. Just get some kind of simple landing page or some kind of like – I like Leadpages. Something that’s very simple, but somewhere to send people – somewhere for them to go, that’s totally okay, too. But yes, you should have some kind of online presence.


How do you keep your email list engaged if you have nothing to sell? Value! Just provide value. So, whatever your thing is – for me it’s branding, obviously – there are a million things about branding that I can talk about. It’s just about nurturing them and providing as much value as possible. So, valuable content. I think most people say, like when you’re in Facebook groups – if you think about your email list like the Facebook groups that don’t allow promotion – the types of stuff like that is what you would send out to an email list. When you go into a Facebook group and you can’t promote, the types of things that you would say in there, or tips and tricks; that sounds so cheesy and generic, but something that’s real, actual value to give them is what you would send out. And it doesn’t have to be all the time, either. It’s not you have to send five emails a week. Right now my goal is just to send one email a week. Or even if it’s once a month, that’s okay too. If you don’t have a ton of stuff to sell yet, it’s just important to build those relationships now, if you are planning to sell something later. Otherwise once you do have something to sell, you’re basically going to be starting from scratch anyway because unless it’s something that’s super cheap, if it’s a higher ticket item it’s going to be much easier to sell if you already have that relationship established. Doing that early on only helps. Hopefully that answers your question. So it doesn’t have to be anything super crazy or fancy or all the time.


If you are going to do it that way and you’re going to only email once a month or twice a month or something that’s not super often, that’s totally fine. I would just say make sure you set up that expectation from the beginning. If you have a freebie or or whatever it is, just say, “Hey, thank you for joining my community. Expect emails from me once a month with super valuable information.” That’s cool. Just letting them know up front so they remember who you are next time and stuff that.


Answer the questions we all want to know but haven’t asked yet equals value. Yeah, that’s so true. That comes back to your ideal client, too. I feel like I’ve said those two words like, 87,000 in the last month. But knowing your ideal client and anticipating the types of questions that they have but don’t want to ask is super valuable. it’s incredibly valuable. That’s a really good place to start – is thinking about FAQs. If you feel like you have nothing to say or you don’t know what to say to your audience, that’s a really, really good place to start. Okay. What is next on the list?


Do you need a blog is the last question that’s on there. I’m pretty sure I’ve already said that. I already answered that question so if you just joined late, make sure and watch the replay, but you don’t need a blog. Blogs are very helpful for generating traffic. Especially from Pinterest. But even in Facebook groups you can share a blog post or if they don’t let you promote, you can copy and paste excerpts from your blog posts. It’s very helpful. It’s not necessary. And again, I said this earlier, but if you’re just joining late, just don’t make a blog just for SEO. Remember, we want to provide valuable content all the time. Always valuable. Those big social media agencies that help you – “we’ll get you on the front page of Google” and all those super fancy SEO people. That’s one of their main strategies is to just write a shit ton of blog posts and stuff on with keywords that you show up higher in Google. That does nothing for your audience though.


It gets you on the front page of Google and it works really well for like, a local gardener or local landscaping service or something that. But for personalized one on one services that most of us offer in here, people want to know that you’re an expert and you know what you’re talking about. And if you have a bunch of fluffy crap like that on your website, it’s going to detract from your expert status. Don’t do that. If you’re going to have a blog, do it right. That’s pretty much it. That’s pretty much the goal of the entire website talk. If you’re going to do it, do it right or don’t do it at all. Wait until you can do it right.


That is all of the questions that I had prepared. I’ll take a sip of my strawberry gross wine. Hopefully this is, hopefully it’s almost gone. I won’t have to drink it anymore because I can’t bear to throw stuff away for some reason. I don’t wasting things. Take a sip of my wine, if anyone has any last minute questions, now is the time and I will answer them.


This one has been really fun. I talking about website stuff. It’s really fun and everybody always has a million questions about it so it’s really fun for me to talk about. Cool. So if we don’t have any more questions, a lot of people probably saw me today making updates and yesterday into the #SpotlightSunday stuff. We have a lot of new people coming on for #SpotlightSunday that I’m really excited about. I think I have the next seven or eight weeks booked already. If you are new to the group and you don’t know what that is, check it out over in the documents or files or whatever it’s called over in that tab. There’s a document that has all the archives you can see all the old ones and that you can sign up because I want to hear from every single one of you. Because I want to know you, like for real.


That’s my goal with this group. I don’t want to have just a whole bunch of people who show up and don’t participate. That doesn’t help anybody. I want us to all get to know each other and learn from each other. And it’s such a great way to talk about your business in a safe place and especially if you’re new and scared of being on video. Now is the time to sign up, while this group is still pretty small because I mean you can see right now I think what three people are watching live and then, and then people go back and watch the replay. So if you’re scared of being on live, come and do it now while there’s not a ton of people in here because it’s so laid back, it’s so fun. Tanya can say too! She did it and she was scared to be on live and she said, that wasn’t as scary as I thought it was going to be as soon as we got off. It’s not scary, I promise. It’s just a conversation and it’s such a good way to talk about your thing and to get your message out there and teach about whatever it is that you do. Because I want to learn and I know most people in this group want to learn from you, too. So sign up for #SpotlightSunday.


I’m so excited. I think the next eight weeks are booked. We’re into September. Is that 8, I dunno? That’s not quite eight. We’re into September. But sign up and we’ll get you on the list. I’m excited. So, #SpotlightSunday and then I still have a few spots available in my one on one program, Brand Boldly. Coming back to website stuff, I talked a little bit last week about this, but I added back the design, full design of your brand, logos, all of the design templates, everything you need for Facebook, and all of your social media, really. Any kind of branded forms, any graphic design templates that you need made are part of Brand Boldly. And your entire website. I’ll build your whole website for you as part of Brand Boldly.


The foundation of the program is that four month coaching / strategy / consulting. It’s kind of a mix. I say brand strategist because I don’t the word coach. It’s more like – I feel like I’m more of a mix between a coach and a consultant. the coach part is that helping you work through decisions and figure out what’s really best for you and asking those hard questions to make you really think about stuff. And then the other half is consulting. And once I really get to know you and your business, it’s actual tangible strategies. Here you should try this, do this, do this. It’s kind of a mix of both. And it’s that four month program. We figure out your entire brand strategy and it’s so fun. I promise it’s so fun. It’s hard work. I would never say that it’s not hard work and it takes a lot of time for sure. But oh my gosh, it’s so worth it.


It’s that four month program where it’s weekly calls and then you have full access to me in between calls, too, written access. You can email me or messenger me or whatever you want to do, I don’t want you to be stuck. That’s really the goal of having that open communication is if you have a question, you’re trying to do something, send me a message, send me an email. I don’t want you to be stuck and have to wait for the next call. You have the four months and then all of your design and all of your website and all of your copywriting. I will write all of the words that go on all of the website pages, too. I’m really excited to have brought that back into Brand Boldly and have that entire package again.


If you’re interested in that, check it out on my website. I can put in a link or just send me a message, send me a Facebook message or whatever you want to do, to ask your question. You can email me however, if you have questions, just ask them. if you think you might be a good fit but you’re not really sure, just ask. There’s no harm in asking. I know it’s – I’m a super introvert, honestly, and I hate reaching out to people and talking to new people. I don’t even talking to the drive through person. That was the thing I was terrified of most when I first got my driver’s license. It was that I was going to have to order food from the drive through person. My mom always did that for me. Right? Mom, she’s here. I was going to have to do that. I understand that sometimes it can feel like such a big commitment just to even ask the question, but with me, it does not need to feel that way.


Hopefully you know me well enough by now that you know that I’m not a salesperson. I don’t sell anything. I make offers. I have this thing available. If it’s good for you, if you want it, let’s do it. There’s no sales part of it at all. I’m going to talk more about that too later. That’s going to be another #ThirstyThursday call. Maybe I’ll do it after the next week. Talk about selling, because it’s not really selling. It’s just – I have this thing, would you like it? And that’s really all it needs to be. That’s all that it is.


If you think you might be a good fit, send me a message. Write me a letter. That’ll take longer, but if you’re more comfortable doing that, that’s okay. However you feel comfortable reaching out to ask those questions, just don’t stay stuck. Don’t stay stuck. If you need help with your brand, any part of your brand, do something. Just do something. Cool? Okay.


That is it for wine and websites – is it websites and wine? Wine and websites. Hopefully this is the last time with the wine. I’m going to have to come up with some new drinks. As always, too, if anyone has any ideas for #ThirstyThursday topics that you would to discuss, let me know. Post it in the group. Post any questions that you have in the group, anytime, not just on these videos. I’m here Sundays and Thursdays live, but I’m in here a lot, guys. If you ever have any questions, put them in the group. Just ask. Make sure you tag me so I see it because sometimes I don’t see everything unless I’m tagged in it, but I’m always here. Let me know if you need help. Cool? Okay, everybody have a good night. Thanks for the likes, Tanya. I love when all the little bubbles fly up. So fun. All right. Good night everyone. Bye.
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I cannot even tell you how many questions I get about creating logos for brands, y’all.

This video talks through the most common questions I get about design, including:
⇾ When should I start working on design?
⇾ Should you try to DIY your design or hire someone?
⇾ What questions do you need to ask before hiring a designer?
⇾ What types of things do you actually need to have designed?
⇾ What do all of these different file types mean?
⇾ How much should it cost?
⇾ How long should it take?

*NOTE* This video was recorded LIVE inside my Facebook group, Brand Boldly for Service-Based Entrepreneurs as a #ThirstyThursday training video. Join the group to participate LIVE and get your questions answered in real time.

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Read the audio transcription below

Hello everyone! I am here for our first Q and A call. The goal of these calls is really to just answer whatever questions you have for me. Since it’s the first few and we’re probably still kind of experimenting with what time works best for everybody and all that fun stuff, I did just prepare some questions that I hear a lot, but if at anytime you want me to clarify something or literally whatever questions that you have, even if it doesn’t have anything to do with design or logos or anything that, feel free to just put it in the comments and let me know and I will answer it. And because it’s booze, I have my lager; logos and lager. So, I have my Dos Equis and I’m ready to talk about design stuff.


If you’re here, say hi so I know that you’re here. Make sure I know that you’re here, and like I said a second ago, if you’re just hopping on, we’re talking about design questions, but if you have any other questions let me know and I’m just going to dive into the ones that I already have prepared to talk about and let me know if you have other ones.


The question that I get the most often is about design, obviously. Everybody associates branding really closely with design and that’s normal. I talked a little bit on what was the last one I did about how design should always be the last step in the process. As long as you’re doing that, and you’re doing everything in the right order, then design should really be the easiest part. Design should be the very last thing that you do. I’m just going to keep saying that over and over and over and over again because I really want you to remember it. Design comes last. After that though, the design really should be the easiest part.


And honestly, I know this might sound crazy. I was actually telling Tanya this this morning, when I do design for my private clients and when I do logos and stuff like that, honestly, I only need to make one logo for them. Because I already know exactly what they want and exactly what they’re going to pick. I still usually give them more than one option just to kind of make them feel better. And it scares them to just say, oh, you’re only going to get one choice. But in reality you shouldn’t need more than that. And a good designer shouldn’t need more than that.


Okay, Megan, good question. Design comes last compared to all of the other brand strategy work. You want to figure out your why behind your business and what motivates you to do what you do and putting your personality into your business. Remember if you took the quiz, I think Megan, I think you’ve taken the quiz. You really want to put your personality into your brand so that you can attract your ideal clients. They’re going to connect with you on that emotional level if you can just be the real you. Figure out how to do that first and then figure out who your ideal client is and how to talk to them. Like with your website copy or posts that you’re making or anything like that, you want to be able to speak to them in a language that they understand and where they really connect with you. Once you have all of those foundational pieces in place and you really understand where your brand is now and where you want to be and how to get there, then it’s super easy to do the design because you know exactly who you’re talking to, you know what they’re going to like, and it just becomes a bajillion times easier. Whether that means you’re doing it yourself or you’re hiring a designer to do it.


Thanks Kayla, for the hearts. I love hearts!


If you have specific questions, like I said at the beginning, if you’ve just come on, go ahead and type them in and I’ll answer them. But the ones that I get the most often are, should I try to do it myself? And is it crazy to do your design yourself? And it’s totally not. I always tell people to try to do your design yourself first. There was no harm in trying it. Right?


You’re welcome Megan.


There are tons of free resources and classes and guides and – just search in Pinterest, say logo design and you’ll see some really good ones and some tips for stuff. I always tell people to try it themselves first because honestly no one should know your business better than you do anyway.


I don’t know why I keep coughing on these. I’m sorry. Maybe I need my lager for logos and lager. One second.


So if you try to DIY it, just make sure you try to understand the basic principles of design. Do look at some kind of guide or something if you don’t know what you’re doing at all. Basic principles of design – I’ll put on my graphic designer hat for a second. White space is your friend. Seriously, if you never learn anything else from me, white space is your friend. Use lots of white space for everything. Other things to look at are balance of things and simplicity – specifically for logos – simplicity is really the key. The worst logos are when people try to cram a whole bunch of crap into one tiny little graphic. Your logo should be a very small representation of just the feel of your brand. It doesn’t have to identify every single piece of everything that you do. And I think that’s where a lot of people get hung up. They’re like, well, I’m a strategist and I also do this and I also do this. And they want to try to put all of these little pieces in there and that’s when it just gets really messy. And most people don’t get it. most people don’t get what each thing is supposed to represent anyway. It’s better to just keep it simple.


Is white space always white or it can be…? Good question Megan! White space is not always white. That’s just the industry term. It can be any color. Just let it breathe might be the better way to say it. Make sure there’s plenty of space around it. Don’t cram your logo way over in the corner and stick it over there up against the edge. And the same thing with if you’re making graphics for a Facebook post or something like that, don’t put things right against the edge is really what I mean when I say white space. Give everything plenty of room to breathe.


So, if you are going to DIY it, just make sure and try to do a little bit of research and go with simple. Always go with simple.


Yeah. Your logo is your initials, Rose. That’s awesome. I love the very simple logos. That’s just my design style. But honestly that’s really all you need anyway. You don’t need anything crazy and huge and elaborate to get your point across.


But if you don’t want to DIY it, which you might not because it takes a bunch of time and maybe that’s just not your thing.


Oh wait, what’s Tanya say? Is it important for book covers? For sure. Like, yeah, any kind of design. Book covers or Facebook posts or website graphics or even just the copy on the website. Let everything breathe. If you look at my home page, there’s tons of space in between every line of what I’m saying. And it’s there on purpose. Not only does it just look nicer and it looks clean, but it also, it serves a purpose to guide your readers eye where you want to go. You know exactly what you’re supposed to do next and you can really emphasize the points that you’re trying to emphasize.


In design, I think a lot of times people just say, oh, design is making it look pretty. And it is, but it’s so much more than that if you do it the right way. You use the design to get people to do what you want them to do, whatever you want them to do. Guide them where they need to be. Do that. Always try to do that.


But if you don’t want to do it yourself…


Can we use the colors from our archetype in the logo? Heck yes. That’s what the archetype guide is for! In the pdf downloads, there are color palette examples. That does not mean you can only use those colors for those archetypes, obviously, they’re just good examples to give you a starting point. But also, check out the Pinterest board for your archetype because their bajillions of examples on every single archetype Pinterest board on my Pinterest. I there are a couple other branch strategists that also use archetypes and they have some good Pinterest boards, too. So maybe just do a Pinterest search for that and you can find really good ideas for finding colors that really feel what you’re trying to go for.


If you do hire someone, there are a few things that you should look for when you are hiring a graphic designer. The very first thing, again, I’m going to keep saying this over and over again. If you go to hire a graphic designer and you’re looking at somebody to do the work for you, if the very first thing out of their mouth is not, okay, who’s your ideal client? What are you trying to accomplish with your logo? Then go somewhere else. If that’s not the first thing I say, then go somewhere else. Because that’s the only way you’re going to be able to use your logo to represent your brand instead of just having a pretty little graphic that doesn’t do anything for you.


As long as they ask those questions, then some other things you want to think about…


Totally didn’t use my archetype colors because of reasons. Yeah, it doesn’t matter. Honestly. It doesn’t matter if you are using a color that’s not on your archetype guide or that’s not usually there as long as you’re capturing the feel and your personality and the feel that you want to go for. Those are really just a starting point to give you ideas of what other people do with that particular archetype.


So what you should look for in a designer then, sorry I’ve started this sentence 10 times now. Some of the things are what types of things are included in your package besides a logo. You need a logo obviously, but what types of files are they actually going to give you? Always, always ask for the source files of everything. What that means is your actual, it’s an illustrator file, hopefully, if they’re a real designer – or you might’ve heard it, a vector file or an eps file – that means that you can take it and you can blow it up as big as you want and it’s not going to get pixelated and ugly and gross. You need one of those. Also make sure that you get a png file, which that means it has a transparent background that you can put it on things with a different colored background because if you have a jpeg or a file that, it’s going to have that white background. And I know that’s a problem for a lot of people to try to cut out their logos and cut out pictures and stuff that. If you don’t have Photoshop, that’s obviously kind of hard. Make sure you’re getting the right type of files like that. And if you have any questions about which file you should use for which thing, just type it in the comments and let me know, but you want those.


And then what else is included in your package? Make sure that the designer that you’re getting is targeted for whatever you’re going to use your brand to do. Like, you can just go find any graphic designer on Fiverr or whatever, any of those sites and pay, 10 bucks even. You can get a logo for 10 bucks but make sure it’s set up in a way that you can actually use it. And it will work better though if you find a designer that knows how to work within your industry. If you’re an online entrepreneur like me, you’ll need your logo. You’ll also need social media cover images with the graphics that match and you’ll want a template for social media posts and make sure you find out also what format are you going to get those templates in? If they give you an Instagram template, is it going to be a Photoshop file that you can’t use? Or is it going to be in Canva? Or is it going to be a word template or something that. Just make sure you know that you’ll be able to actually use it.


What does Tanya say? If they give an illustrator file and yeah you can’t… You can’t use an illustrator file if you don’t have illustrator. You can’t edit it. I know that there are settings – and you, you have a Mac, right? We’ve talked about that – there are settings in word and excel and stuff like that where you can import eps files into there. It’s a box that you have to check. Just so you can be sure that it’s never grainy or tiny or anything that.


Another one to ask for though is a pdf. Ask for a high-res, unflattened pdf file of your logo because that will also scale and be as big as you want. And they’re easier to work with if you don’t have design software.


I’d say the most common one you need to make sure that you have, if you’re not a designer and you don’t actually need to edit them, is make sure you get that png file with the transparent background. Because that’s the one you’re going to want the most often. It’s really hard to you to use a jpeg in any kind of design stuff that you’re making unless you have a white background on literally everything it’s not going to help you very much. Get that png file.


Just make sure you get all of the pieces that you need. Make a list and think through every single thing that you would actually need. When I do the stuff for my clients, it’s all the social media covers, all of the templates, a banner to go in your email newsletter, and your actual email signature at the bottom with with your logo and everything that. What else is in there? I include business cards in a design package, or a thank you note or something like that, some kind of printed something. Just think through all of that before you start looking and try to find a designer that fits all those requirements for you.


What else is next? How much should it cost? I hear that one all the time. Honestly, you can pay any amount of money you want for a logo. You can go on Fiverr and pay 10 bucks, five bucks, its Fiverr. When I used to do just logos, I charged $2,000 was the base price for a logo. Now, I put everything in a package. But in design school, one of my professors did freelance design for bigger agencies and the minimum price he charged for a logo was $8,000. You can pay whatever you want. I will say though, you want to find kind of the middle ground and it’s more important to focus on what the deliverables are when you’re making that decision. You can’t compare a Fiverr, a five dollar logo, to something where you’re getting every single piece of the design that you need. Make sure and compare accordingly.


Also remember, you get what you pay for. Everybody, I say everybody, there are many people on the internet, especially VAs who say that they’re graphic designers, and at the risk of sounding a snotty brat, they’re not designers. Just because you know how to open design software and you paid for a subscription to Photoshop does not make you a designer. Just keep that in mind, too. Because that’s what a lot of those cheap ways to get logos, that’s what they are – is just crap usually. Just be careful. Obviously there are exceptions. I’ve heard of people getting really good design work done on Fiverr and remember the more prepared you are before you go talk to a designer, the better luck you’re going to have.


If you know exactly what you want and you can articulate, this is what I’m going for, this is the type of people I work with, this is the message that I need my logo to send, you’re going to get a lot better results than if you try to just say, “well I don’t really know what I want, but I’ll know it when I see it. Can you just give me 15 options?” Because one, you’re not going to get what you like and also the designer’s going to hate you.


Yes, Dorothy. Students aren’t self taught. Yeah, I would say if you’re going to go the cheap route, you might have better luck looking for a student. Because at least they’re learning the right way to do it. Maybe go to a local – Dorothy went to graphic design school with me – maybe go to a local school that has a good graphic design program and say, Hey, I’m looking for this. Would you be interested in doing this and putting it in your portfolio? That’s a good way to get a cheaper version of a logo if you’re on a budget without sacrificing quality that you’re most likely gonna lose if you go online and just pick a random person.


And just remember, look for the balance. For most service based businesses, you don’t need some huge elaborate logo package. I include it in my package right now, it’s $10,000 for the four month brand strategy, and then you also get all the design. The design is just like, eh, that’s not really what it’s about. But it’s easy for me and it’s fun for me. I just throw it in, too.


But there’s a good middle ground in there. Just make sure you’re finding the right person. You want to check their portfolio, too. Once you know what your archetype is, then you’ll want to go and look at their portfolio and make sure that they can do the type of work that you need. Make sure it’s the right style. And it lines up. Because most designers are very set in their style and they don’t deviate from it a lot. just make sure you look at that stuff first. You don’t just pick them because they’re awesome and then they you find out that they can’t design girly things or manly things or what I’ve heard is. Just do your homework is really the bottom line when you’re picking a designer.


That was all of my list of common design questions. Does anyone else have any questions?


Yeah, seems logical. If you yeah, that’s true. I mean obviously if you can afford it and if you’re in the place where you can hire a brand strategist that also does the design, like me, obviously that’s the most logical solution because you’re the number one person who understands your brand more than anyone. But then your brand strategist is right behind you, the next one up there. And they have the skill to do it usually. If you can go that route, go that route. If you can’t and you’re looking for other alternatives, I would suggest a student. That would be my number one suggestion. And if it’s not a student and then research the crap out of them and make sure they can actually give you what you need for the price point you’re looking for.


What else we got? I know there’s a delay too, so I’m like 10 seconds ahead of everyone I think. I’ll give it a second. Make sure there’s not any more questions. I hope this was helpful. Tanya gave me the idea to do the themes for the Q and A calls and I think that’ll help everybody. You can come up with an actual question and not just leaving you out in the wind to think of something random.


That being said, if you have any ideas for the future Q and A calls of specific topics you want to talk about and have questions answered about like, website design and what should you put on your website? Or even things how to articulate your message or more about the brand archetypes or anything that. Make sure and let me know because I can set up whatever we need to set up. Whatever you want to hear about.


Okay. What do we got over here? Wine and websites. Hey, yeah! If it’s an alliteration all about it too. I was trying to think of booze that would associate with different topics and I ran out of alcohol before I ran out of topics, so help me with that, too.


Students will be a little longer turnaround. That’s true, too. Yeah that’s a good point Dorothy that I haven’t talked about. How long should this whole process take? And what’s the turnaround time? Obviously it’s going to depend on which specific pieces you’re getting. If it’s just a logo, it really comes down to you get what you paid for. I like the Golden Triangle or something that people say online, there’s quality, speed, and price and you can only pick two. You can’t have all three. It really is going to come down to picking which of those things is the most important for you and your brand. With a student for these you’ll get good quality and you’ll get good price, but it probably will take a little bit longer. But you’ll have better results in the end. It’s just weighing, weighing what’s more important for you.


Manhattan’s and marketing. We’re talking about graphic design stuff and specifically questions around designing and logo work and how to pick a designer and how to hire a designer. If you have any questions there for anyone else that came in late, just pop them in the box and let me know. And it’s also, booze. I wish I could see you guys and like, hopefully everybody else has booze, too. And I’m not the only one just drinking, staring at myself in the computer.


Yeah, that would be, that would be my number one recommendation though, if you are trying to find a designer for cheap. Find a student and make sure you allow for the amount of time that it’s going to take.


I did hiccup. Yes.


How often should my logo be updated, if at all? Ideally you won’t need to update your logo. And that’s where it comes in, too, if you get it right the first time, you shouldn’t need to update it. And if you keep it, like we at the very beginning of the call, keep it simple first of all. And then if you’re designing the right way in terms of what your brand goals and your strategies are, you shouldn’t need to change it. Now, if you change your entire brand strategy and you decided to target a completely different person and offer something different than you might need to change it. But I would suggest not doing that. If you want to do something completely different, start a different business, don’t change whatever you’re trying to do and morph it into something else because it’s just going to confuse your audience a little bit. That doesn’t mean that you can’t have separate businesses that target different people though. Or somehow differentiate which people you’re talking to. But hopefully you shouldn’t have to update your logo.


If you can hire a brand strategist that knows how to do the design, that’s your best bet. If you can’t do that, find a student. That’s the takeaways that I wanted to talk about today.


I’ll give it a just a couple more minutes. Make sure there’s no more questions. Oh look guys, I got so many thumbs up and hearts. I’m so excited. How fun! Thanks Heather!


Cool? Okay. Well if no one else has any more questions then I’m going to hop off of here. Just a couple quick reminders.


If you have ideas for other Q and A calls other topics, let me know. Maybe if it has an alliteration, I’ll like you a little bit more. Just kidding. I already like you. But give me ideas for that. And then also, you guys probably saw all the events that I put in the group. The #SpotlightSundays are coming up, hopefully you can come to the #SpotlightSundays because they’re going to be really freaking awesome. We already have a lot of people signed up and I’m excited to see them. And then what else? Oh, the #SpotlightSunday with Rose. I dunno if Rose is on here today, but she’s a copywriter and she has offered to use her #SpotlightSunday time to review somebody’s copy, or more than one somebody. If you have any kind of copy that you want a professional, awesome, badass copywriter to look at live on our call, over in the Documents section, there’s a document and just copy and paste in whatever you want Rose to look at, and we’ll go over it live and it’s going to be so freaking awesome.


Can’t wait for #SpotlightSunday. Me too! I’m so excited for #SpotlightSunday. That’s all of my announcements and I’m going to hop off of here and go finish my beer and I will see you guys – Sunday is the next live call. I will see you then. If anybody has any questions in between now and then, use the group, guys! I still have not seen a single promo video and I really want to see promo videos from people. Just remember there’s a separate, in the description, watch the little rules, you’ve got to make a video and it’s going to be awesome though. I better see a video from someone soon, or it’s gonna get crazy. All right, you guys have a good night. Bye.


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I’m a Creator archetype, INTJ, and music snob. I will fight you if you try to convince me that a MacBook is an instrument. It’s not.

But as far as this whole business thang goes… I’m basically a weird mix of creative-big-picture-thinker and analytical strategery all rolled into one.

I can help you use your unique personality to stand out BOLDLY online and attract your ideal clients like a freakin’ magnet – just by being YOU.

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What if I told you that you could make more money just by being your regular-awesome-self?

or by being a super-hero for your clients

or being a lover that makes ’em feel confident and sexy

or a magician that blows freaking their minds with results


What the eff am I talkin’ about?
Brand Archetypes, y’all.


Specifically, I’m talking about Brand Archetypes and how they can transform your brand from a boring, “me-too” brand into a “daaaaaaaang, they totally get me!” brand.


What’s an Archetype?

The word comes from the famous psychologist Dr. Carl Jung. Way back in the 1940’s, he created this theory to describe the patterns of human behavior derived from our unconscious mind. And they’re still used in psychology today, so you know it’s legit.

There could be lots of different archetypes, but Jung defined these 12 to categorize our basic human motivations.

Hover over each box to learn more!


Explorer brands strive for individual fulfillment & independence by promoting freedom.
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Innocent brands strive for individual fulfillment & independence by promoting safety & simplicity.
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Sage brands strive for individual fulfillment & independence by promoting understanding.
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Regular Gal

Regular Gal brands strive for community & connection by promoting a sense of belonging.
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Lover brands strive for community & connection by promoting intimacy & passion.
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Performer brands strive for community & connection by promoting enjoyment.
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Hero brands strive to triumph & change the world by promoting mastery & accomplishment.
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Maverick brands strive to triumph & change the world by promoting revolution.
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Magician brands strive to triumph & change the world by promoting power & knowledge.
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Caregiver brands strive for structure & stability by promoting service & comfort.
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Creator brands strive for structure & stability by promoting innovation & authenticity.
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Ruler brands strive for structure & stability by promoting control & power.
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You can take my Brand Archetype Quiz to find out where your brand fits and get more detailed descriptions, big brand examples, music choices, instagram accounts to follow, and a crap load of other cool stuff. Trust me, you’ll like it.

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So here’s how it works, guys…

Archetypes take the seemingly endless adjectives, values, and facets of personality used to describe humans (and brands!), and put them into 12 neat little boxes. It’s kind of like a mix between a personality test and a stereotype. (C’mon, you know they’re usually true even if you don’t want to admit it.)

Now, if you’re sitting there thinking that nobody’s gonna’ put you in a box because you’re such an intricate and complex being…


That’s kinda’ true!

And it’s also kinda’ wrong… psychology is weird, amiright?

You do fit into a couple different boxes (that’s why when I build brands with my clients, we use your top 3 Brand Archetypes), buuuut

You are not a unique, special ❄ snowflake ❄ either.
*said with love, so don’t hate me*

But trust me, y’all. I’m here to tell you that it’s a good thing


And you can use it to make more money in your biz.



How to make more money with Brand Archetypes

Guess what?

Your ideal clients aren’t special snowflakes, either. ❄ ❄ ❄

They’re just regular ol’ ladies and gents.

And they’ll fit into some of the same 12 Archetypes as you.

So, to make more money, you need to:

  1. Figure out YOUR Brand Archetype. If you haven’t taken the quiz yet, do that over here here.
  2. Figure out your IDEAL CLIENT’s Archetype. You should be able to easily tell where they fit.
    If you don’t know enough about them to figure it out, then you gotta’ back up a step and figure that out first. You should be all up in their heads, y’all.
  3. MAKE SURE THEY FIT TOGETHER. That may seem like common sense, but this is where a lot of brands get hung up. An Innocent or Caregiver isn’t as likely to connect with a Maverick or Performer brand. You’ve gotta’ make sure your underlying values are the same.
  4. SPEAK TO THEM IN THEIR LANGUAGE. You’ll appeal to them on a deeper level when they feel like you really understand their goals and values.
  5. MAKE BANK, yo.

Learn your Brand Archetype and USE IT. Give your ideal clients the opportunity to connect with you on a personal, even emotional, level and your sales will skyrocket. I promise.

People want to do business with other people. People that they like, that they can relate to, and that they identify with. So OWN your Archetype and use it to make some moo-lah?!


Which Brand Archetype fits your brand?

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Hey, I’m Brooke!

I’m a Creator archetype, INTJ, and music snob. I will fight you if you try to convince me that a MacBook is an instrument. It’s not.

But as far as this whole business thang goes… I’m basically a weird mix of creative-big-picture-thinker and analytical strategery all rolled into one.

I can help you use your unique personality to stand out BOLDLY online and attract your ideal clients like a freakin’ magnet – just by being YOU.

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